Oh...that memory thing!!  I never really considered that.  Great just one more thing to try to wrap my brain around.  I'm glad I have a week before the next new episode. It's going to take me AT LEAST that long to sort all of this out.

Nerdgasm? Sounds unpleasant. Ohh I can't wait to watch the new ep later today!! I am so ready for answers!

Hubby had to draw me a little chart to try to explain it all to me.

LOST I mean.  Not the nerdgasm.

(Message edited by BillFromOntario On 01/22/2009 2:39:27 PM)

if you remember when desmond tried to save charlie all those different times, it showed that specific smaller events can be changed, but the big picture events can't be changed. so in that example the smaller events were the different ways charlie died, but the ultimate event is him dying, regardless of how.

so the oceanic 6 leaving the island can be corrected, by them returning, but if they remain off the island and a big event that required them occurred in the future and they are not there...then who knows.

Then all goes horribly wrong... and we all become bunnies...

(Message edited by BillFromOntario On 01/22/2009 3:25:26 PM)

(Message edited by BillFromOntario On 01/22/2009 3:32:14 PM)

Um....okay so I've watched the new LOST and um...what the bluming hell is going on??  What's with all the different time sequences and being able to create memories in the past?? I think my brain just exploded.

But yes, BFO seems to have been mighty right all along as was I in my belief that there was some sort of loop going on.

I think the thing that confused me most was the fact that Richard is NOT a constant in time. I had always just assumed that because he is everywhere and always the same age. But when he told Locke that he wouldn't recognise him next time, I got very confused. And so why are the 815ers plus Juliette and the Freighters moving in time together while the Others stay with the current place in time-space? I mean, Juliette was an Other...so why is she skipping in time?

The one thing I totally get is the fact that the Oceanic 6 have to get back to the island to fix the original time sequence, as well as the delving into alternate sequences to repair the main one. I'm guessing that Ben only has 70 hours because that is the only window to get back to just the right time to continue the time line. That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is why Hugo would do such a thing!! NOOO!!!

And  Billiam, could you please make a video explaining what is happening every once in a while so my brain doesn't spontaneously combust? That'd be great. :)

I have just finished watching the first 2 episodes :D

Who's the old chick in the church? She had music under her that made me think I had to recognise her, but I did not ... someone clue me in please :P

Okay so Bill was right, they travel in time. I love that line: 'When are we?' But we'll see about the loop ...

So Faraday was at the start of it all, near the wheel?? Was he there because they had traveled to that time and he somehow got in without being noticed? Or is he something else altogether? He's there because he understands it all, but how did he become interested in timetravel in the first place? Was he Dharma in a previous life?

Richard is strange too. He visited John when he was a little boy (asked him which belonged to him, was very disapointed when he picked the knife ...), so in order for him not to know John how far back must they go? Its like Richard is always skipping through time and space, never aging. Its time for him to have a flashback/forward episode, we know too little about this guy...

How did John get off the island? Why does he have to die? How does Richard know John has to die?

Who wants to know Aaron isnt Kate's? Widmore? Ben? Sun even? Sun knew that was the thing that would make her run. Sun is working with Widmore. Gosh, Sun is an evil woman, she could fuck the whole thing up for her own purpose easily.

Why does Desmond have to go visit Faraday's mom? What can she tell him? Does Desmond have to go back to the island too? And Cletus?

So Sayid used to work for Ben, but quit. Then told Hurley not to trust Ben. Hurley doesnt trust Ben and is willing to do anything to get away from him. Smart guy ... Meanwhile Jack just got won over by Ben (because John died?) and is now with Sayid, who does not yet know Jack is working with Ben.

Somehow it doesnt look like they're all going to make it back to the island in 70 hours :P

Anyhoo, those are some questions floating around in my head. Would be nice to get your take on them :)

I thought the woman in the church was miss universe or whatever. The one who talked to Desmond about the intentions of the Universe and that Charlie will eventually die no matter how much Desmond tries. Am I way off?? Maybe this is Faraday's mum as well? Hm...

Oh yeah, and I'm thinking that Charlotte is dying now. Maybe that's what's going to happen to everyone if the Six don't get back to fix the loop.

I figured Faraday was there because he somehow ends up at Dharma and that's why Desmond answers the door for him when he wouldn't for the others. Because it's okay for him to be there. Or because Desmond is already established as his constant...? Me no know.

Yes I automatically assumed that Sun was the one who called for the blood test because she's working with Widmore.

'Come on bill, you could drink milk, play with fish, hump cats and time travel!'

those are my favourite things to do in this life.

now onto the questions! many of the questions being asked in here are ones that have no answer yet, but speculation is always fun :D

"I think the thing that confused me most was the fact that Richard is NOT a constant in time. I had always just assumed that because he is everywhere and always the same age. But when he told Locke that he wouldn't recognise him next time, I got very confused. And so why are the 815ers plus Juliette and the Freighters moving in time together while the Others stay with the current place in time-space? I mean, Juliette was an Other...so why is she skipping in time?"

so the richard thing. i feel that he does in fact age, he just has the ability to travel through the time line at his will. perhaps when john first meets richard (as future richard would know when this happens) he has yet to acquire his time traveling abilities. that is why he needs locke to give him the compass, perhaps to guide him to what he needs to be able to time travel?

so the others not moving in time. that is a great question and one i'm excited to get the answer to. i think a lot of the others are decendants (or are themselves) the islands original people. the four toed statue people. perhaps they somehow are uneffected by the islands time jumps for this reason? as for juliet, she is not an other. she has no connection to the island. i feel like that is why she was never able to fix the pregnant women. the entire time she has been on the island she has wanted to go home. in order for them to fulfill their destinies they have to leave their life back home completely, which juliet has not done. she hasn't accepted the island as her home and therefore can't access the islands true magicalness. that is why the scene with jack and ben in the premier was so important i feel. the one where ben tells jack to pack whatever he wants from this life because he will never be able to come back, jack replies saying good. he has finally accepted the island as his home, he is ready to fulfill his destiny.

'Who's the old chick in the church? She had music under her that made me think I had to recognise her, but I did not ... someone clue me in please :P'

that is ms. hawking. we saw her in season 3 i believe, when she tells desmond about the universe being able to course correct itself. she illustrated this with the example of that man dying by having the scafolding fall on him. desmond asks why she didn't save him and she tells him that the universe needed him to die. if he didn't die there he might have died at home having a shower, or gotten into a car crash etc. either way, he was going to die. so this woman obviously has quite a lot of knowledge about time and i do believe she is daniels mother.

'So Faraday was at the start of it all, near the wheel?? Was he there because they had traveled to that time and he somehow got in without being noticed? Or is he something else altogether? He's there because he understands it all, but how did he become interested in timetravel in the first place? Was he Dharma in a previous life?'

at some point the island is going to travel back to dharma days (if it isn't there already). perhaps this is how daniel was able to have so much informaiton about dharma. how else would he have known about the orchid station in his journal if he wasn't there to witness it being built ;) i think he is down there to try and reset the wheel maybe? i don't know how he will do it, but i think he knows that in order to stop the island from time jumping he needs to fix something. be it reseting the wheel or something else, we will just have to wait and see. but personally i think he is going to find a way to fix it within the next 70 hours.

in 70 hours i think the island is gonna make its last time jump, or that is going to be the event where daniel lodges the island back into a time line. i think ms. hawking knows this and for the oceanic 6 to get back they are somehow going to have to piggyback on the time fluctuation so they get spit out at the same time as the rest of our lovable losties. that is why ms. hawking sounds so dire. they must get together for the event or it will never happen again and there is no way the o6 will be able to get back to the same time as their friends.

'I figured Faraday was there because he somehow ends up at Dharma and that's why Desmond answers the door for him when he wouldn't for the others.'

i don't think it is because faraday worked for dharma that desmond opens the door. if you remember des never meets anyone from dharama other than kelvin who was in the swan when desmond arrived on the island. all he knows about dharma is what kelvin told him.

daniel explains to sawyer that since desmond didn't know sawyer when they first met, that means sawyer banging on the door never amounted to anything. remember there is only one time line, so everything you do when you travel back in time has already been done. sawyer could have been bangin on that door for days and des never would have answered. i'm reminded of mr. friendly asking michael if the gun he used to try and kill himself jammed, or if the bullet just bounced off his skull. the universe wouldn't have allowed it to happen regardless.

this post was a pretty huge ramble fest. i'm too lazy to reread it, so it might not makes sense. but it makes sense in my head :)

ps guys, i think i might have figured out why desmond didn't remember faraday when they met at the hatch.

ok this might be a little confusing, but stay with me. i'll try to explain this as simply as possible.

here is desmond's time line as shown in the episode The Constant:

1996 and earlier: desmond meets penny, they fall in love, chickens out on marrying her then joins the army.

ok that was the easy part, prepare yourselves.

1996: desmond is in the army sleeping but suddenly finds himself on the helicopter in 2004 with sayid and frank. so from this point on the desmond we are seeing is from 1996.

this 1996 desmond keeps traveling back in time between 1996 and 2004 and when he is in one time his body in the other time is blacked out as we saw many times during the episode.

so 1996 desmond meets faraday via the phone in 2004 where faraday tells him that when he jumps back to 1996 he needs to go to oxford to find him. so all that happens, faraday explains desmond needs a constant to lock himself back into a timeline, desmond decides it has to be penny. so he goes to penny's house and gets her number etc.

now desmond jumps back to 2004 (leaving his 1996 body blacked out somewhere as it always does). in 2004 desmond calls penny and finds his constant locking him into that time line. so now 1996 desmond can wake up again in 1996 having no memories of all this time travel nonsense because his conciousness from all the is now locked in 2004.

this is why desmond did not recognize faraday when they talked at the hatch. that desmond had never met faraday. the desmond who met faraday is on the boat with penny 3 years after they were rescued.

does that make sense? i tried to make it as clear as possible but when it comes to time travel stuff it is very easy to get lost or confused or for me to word something wrong.




ok so i just reread this and i maybe found some holes in it but i think it might be on the right track. i'll still post it anyways to see what you guys think, maybe it can spark some ideas and we can all be baffled together.

I knew it. Bill is trying to kill me. I think my brain just boiled.

Oh duh, of course its the woman Desmond met when the guy with the red shoes died. I'm off my game :P

Dunno if thats Faradays mom though ... could be, I guess. She reminds me of the matrix more than anything :P

Nah that makes a whole lot of sense to me. And of course 1996 Desmond forgets about traveling in time, otherwise he would be seriously fucked up in the head and never leave the house again. But Faraday does remember Desmond, he is his constant, so thats why Desmond can open the door for Faraday? I feel it could have been opened for Sawyer as well, he was ushered off rather quickly, Desmond didnt even have time to put on his fancy space suit in the time Sawyer was banging on the door. So I think Desmond could have opened the door for Sawyer only it would've screwed stuff up and Faraday doesnt want that (because he knows what needs to happen and somehow Richard knows too). The universe would have tried to correct it of course.

Wow! You guys have been busy.  Maybe the next obsession should be Lost.

Next obsession?!?!?  I think it's fairly current.

Ok....time travel still confusing the hell out of me.  My only pathetic input.....I think Ben was the one behind the blood test.  I think that was a way to get Kate to want to leave.  He knew she would run.